The pros on these-the outer short is a trim enough fit with enough stretch not to catch on my seat as I move around. The inner short has the nicest padding I've found in a trial shortThe mesh and open weave panels keep me cool in the heatthe stitching and finishing on these are impressiveTHe smooth finishing prevents chafing, I didn't even need chamois cream for a 35 mile ride in the heat.The pockets are huge that is a pro and a conTHe medium short fits well with no pinching from the inner gripper/elastic but the out short is really long and the very bottom gapes open catching the breeze, perhaps due to the silky ribbon trim along the hem.I usually wear small or med in pearl Izumi and garneaux shorts I think everything is right with the fit except the longth. The quality is so good I will hem these to the proper length and get a second pair.